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Nurg
03-19-2004, 05:15 PM
Some Alpha screenshots, enjoy!

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/Vrax2.JPG

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW1.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW2.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW3.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW4.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW5.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW6.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW7.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW8.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW9.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW10.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW11.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW12.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW13.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW14.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW15.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW16.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW17.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW18.jpg

NDA lifted. Beta has started.

Biral
03-19-2004, 05:43 PM
Hook me up pal :p looks great.

Kiaus
03-19-2004, 06:12 PM
9th ss from the bottom... KAAOS Alliance.... Who is this "Baylock"?

((watch, this post will dissapear in 2.3 seconds after I post it))

Hedron
03-19-2004, 06:15 PM
There are lots of KAAOSers that you've never seen that don't play Planetside.

Zarathos
03-19-2004, 07:01 PM
Welp didnt make it into first or 2nd round of beta, hopefully soon though looks like a great game from what ive seen/read so far......
still not to sure on the pvp in this game... :?:

Nurg
03-19-2004, 07:49 PM
Hook me up pal :p looks great.
Yeah I'll get right on that SOON.


There are lots of KAAOSers that you've never seen that don't play Planetside.
Blayloc was actually in PlanetSide, LONG before Kiaus came around, and left PlanetSide LONG before Kiaus came around.

Div Devlin
03-19-2004, 07:54 PM
The real question is, does anyone have a *current* email addy for SOL Entres at her new job? I fucked up.

Laugh and Ridicule me, now.

Blayloc
03-19-2004, 08:06 PM
Div.. We laugh at you and redicule in our sleep man.

Corkorle
03-19-2004, 08:43 PM
Looks hawt, hows the warlock play? Are getting the regents by using that spell annoying to summon pets?

I didnt get in either :( So sad.

Nurg
03-19-2004, 08:44 PM
Looks hawt, hows the warlock play? Are getting the regents by using that spell annoying to summon pets?

I didnt get in either :( So sad.
Warlock pwns! Soul Shards for summoning pets are easy to get, but some other spells use Soul Shards as well.

Kiaus
03-19-2004, 09:23 PM
There are lots of KAAOSers that you've never seen that don't play Planetside.


... of course there are. I only *play* dumb. Good act, huh?

Can I assume there are KAAOS plans in the works for WoW? I would find it hard to believe that with all the "thinkers" in KAAOS (not just PS KAAOS) there are no schemes and plots...

Perhaps they are all discussed on Super Secret Message Boards of Evil (TM) that I am not privy to...

Biral
03-20-2004, 08:40 AM
Please tell me one of you is playing a rogue, i'm all over that class, looks so good.

oh and fu kargos, sarcastic bitch :p still <3 though.

Corkorle
03-20-2004, 09:49 AM
Rogue Review Biral
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-rogue&T=112&P=1&ReplyCount=1#post112

Edit: Im pushing more towards rogue than warlock atm!

Sul Morthos
03-21-2004, 01:14 AM
And I could seriously give a shit about how pretty it is or what sweet PVE there is.

Has PVP shaped up, or have we even seen it yet?

Mortarion
03-21-2004, 02:28 AM
Yeah, if I was some imbred hick from the south, I might care about da purty pictures. But I'm not. So out with some real information. I know that PvP hasn't really been implemented yet, except duels so I'm not going to ask you about pointless shit like town capturing and shit like that. I'll keep it simple, so that even a newb like you can answer. Does the combat system lend itself to strategic pvp or is everyone just wasting their time looking at the pretty pictures?

Div Devlin
03-21-2004, 11:50 AM
Tarma from NwN (tanadae) has a good write up over on f13 boards (formely wto) but says no PvP testing yet.

http://www.f13.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=52&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Nurg
03-21-2004, 03:02 PM
You guys know about as much as PvP in WoW as us testers do. It hasn't been added to the game yet, so there is no telling how its going to work.

The fags that sit around Stormwind all day dueling each other isn't PvP, and don't know shit either.

So until PvP gets introduced, then we'll know how it is, and how to build a character better, either twards PvP, or PvE.

Nurg
03-21-2004, 03:08 PM
Tarma from NwN (tanadae) has a good write up over on f13 boards (formely wto) but says no PvP testing yet.

http://www.f13.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=52&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Not sure what shes talking about hitting your first dungeon at level 2 and 3.

I guess shes talking about "mini-dungeons", which I really don't consider a cave, or mine to be a dungeon.

You don't hit a REAL dungeon (instance) until about 15 and up.

Mortarion
03-21-2004, 10:51 PM
I thought you might be a bit slow, so I tried to keep it basic but I guess that wasn't enough. Ok, let's try this again.

Does the combat system lend itself to strategic pvp or is everyone just wasting their time looking at the pretty pictures? By saying that, I am asking if the spells and abilities in the game are designed in such a way as to counter and/or defend against each other. Can you sit there and hit your hardest hitting damage button over and over again and expect to win? Or are there other spells that the opponent could use that would make it pointless/difficult for the first person to cast that damage spell?

I'm sure things can change when they add in more levels, but how is it shaping up so far?

Azmodion
03-21-2004, 11:59 PM
I do not think this will be the holy grail of PvP games that you are looking for. As a matter of fact, I have my doubts that it will even be very good from a 1 on 1 standpoint. It may "entertaining" from a group combat standpoint though but I doubt it will be anything more than that. Keep in mind however that the level cap for beta right now is 30 so we haven't seen end game combat yet. Since we haven't seen end game combat none of us can really speak on the subject.

Be that as it may, Blizzard has a hit on their hands. This game is put together very well and it is entertaining. They did a lot of things right that other companies have had some serious trouble with (from the interface, to the camera controls, to the flow of gaining xp, and much more).

Of course you will experience burnout with any game that you overplay. I would have shrugged that off many years ago but when I think back to NWN I remember that I only played that game about 4 days a week (maybe 12 - 16 hours a week on average). Compared to that I've overplayed just about every game since (and I wonder why I burn out within months with new games ;p).

Anyway, I look at this game from a blizzard progression standpoint. Blizzard put together an RTS game then built from there with future RTS games to their current, pretty well balanced, RTS. Blizzard has PvP experience from their RTS builds. Blizzard also has "adventure" game experience from their Diablo titles. Now they've plunged into the RPG arena and they have not done a half ass job, WoW is a quality game. I was shocked when I started playing in Alpha, it was a lot better than I expected.

Whatever the PvP turns out to be I still do not think this game was built the way a PvP game needs to be built and perhaps their next game will mesh all their past experiences (RTS, Adventure, and RPG) together to create an RPG that is designed for PvP.

All that aside, if you are a gamer, if you are a fan of the RPG genre, you would be doing yourself a disservice not to play WoW at least for a bit. I believe any gamer can appreciate the job Blizzard has done with WoW.

Nurg
03-22-2004, 12:06 AM
I thought you might be a bit slow, so I tried to keep it basic but I guess that wasn't enough. Ok, let's try this again.

Does the combat system lend itself to strategic pvp or is everyone just wasting their time looking at the pretty pictures? By saying that, I am asking if the spells and abilities in the game are designed in such a way as to counter and/or defend against each other. Can you sit there and hit your hardest hitting damage button over and over again and expect to win? Or are there other spells that the opponent could use that would make it pointless/difficult for the first person to cast that damage spell?

I'm sure things can change when they add in more levels, but how is it shaping up so far?
A bit slow? What the fuck do you not understand about there being NO PVP in the fucking game yet?

Yeah there are TONS of talents, spells and stupid fucks like yourself in the game. But since there is NO PVP in the game, there is no way to tell how a talent/spell is going to be GOOD/BAD in PvP. Hence, no one knows how to build the "ultimate" PvP character YET.

The combat system that is currently in the game is built around PvE, which has nothing to fucking do with PvP.

If I was a Paladin I could take Undead Slayer to max, and I'm sure it works great against NPCs, but does it work against Undead players? No clue, and know one will know until they decide to add PvP to the game.

That answer your question little worshiper? You are free to leave now chump.

Mortarion
03-22-2004, 02:34 AM
Ok, Azmo gave me the answers I was looking for without ever answering the question directly. You Nurgling, are an idiot.

It appears that you were in NWN, tho you were a nobody back then. Are you telling me that even without PvP, you couldn't realize that minor globe of invulnerability would be needed in PvP? You couldn't realize the same for mirror image? Granted, I can see people missing things like Invis as being good for NWN PvP since it's not used quite so directly. But if you can't see spells as potentially dominant in PvP before PvP actually exists, then I think the plague has rotted whatever brain you once had.

Luckily, I don't need to deal with your ignorance anymore since Azmo beat you to the answers.

Nurg
03-22-2004, 03:20 AM
Ok, Azmo gave me the answers I was looking for without ever answering the question directly. You Nurgling, are an idiot.
Yay! Fan fucktastic! Another worshiper is happy, I can now sleep at night.


It appears that you were in NWN, tho you were a nobody back then. Are you telling me that even without PvP, you couldn't realize that minor globe of invulnerability would be needed in PvP? You couldn't realize the same for mirror image? Granted, I can see people missing things like Invis as being good for NWN PvP since it's not used quite so directly. But if you can't see spells as potentially dominant in PvP before PvP actually exists, then I think the plague has rotted whatever brain you once had.
Boohoo, I wasn't anyone in NWN according to you, I'm so hurt that you don't remember me from that LONG DEAD game. Goly gee what ever will I do...

What I am telling you fuck tard, is that with no REAL PvP you CAN'T tell whats gona be good, and whats not. There are no resists in the game, nothing PvP based what so ever., so you CAN'T test shit out.

Thats what you can't seem to fucking grasp. Without a way to actually TEST it, you can't tell. Will DOTs be good for PvP? Curses? Ranged spells? What pet will be good? The list goes on and on.

Sure, I can sit there and look at the Imolate spell, and say "Wow! THIS SPELL ROCKS FOR PvE, SO ITS GOTA KICK ASS FOR PvP!!!"

Here is what a duel consisted of for me as a 30th level Warlock....FEAR,DOT,DOT,DOT,SICK ROGUE PET ON HIM,WATCH HIM DIE. I WIN!

Some great PvP testing there! That duel told me that so long as no resists are in the game, Warlocks will just pwn at PvP! Yay!

Now take your fucking sorry wanabe ass else where, I have no use for a fucking tard like yourself, that can't seem to get over the fact that NWN is fucking LONG DEAD, and that there will NEVER be a game like it again.

Keep holding on to those gay memories, seems like thats all you've got. While the rest of us move the fuck on.

Raidan
03-22-2004, 08:40 AM
Granted the game looks more "pretty" than WOW as far as the graphics go. However, even with that said, the bottom line is that it's made by Blizzard - IMO they have yet to make a game that sucks. That's good enough for me to give it a try.

Zerackus
03-22-2004, 09:33 AM
You Gods in the Beta now, see if you can hook up with Sachant from the UDL. She is writting the guide book for WoW. She has a lot of folks working on templates for chars level 1-30. She has some stuff she can get you free if you contribute, and of course, your char's names in the guide book.

Valstorm
03-22-2004, 06:40 PM
the bottom line is that it's made by Blizzard - IMO they have yet to make a game that sucks

Yeah I totally agree.

Corkorle
03-22-2004, 08:07 PM
/note dont piss off kargos !

War Knight
03-22-2004, 08:17 PM
/note dont piss off kargos !

The more correct note to make is not to piss off any of us. <smirk>

Nurg
03-25-2004, 02:17 PM
Here are some more screen shots.

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW19.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW20.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW21.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW22.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW23.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW24.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW25.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW26.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW27.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW28.jpg

Corkorle
03-25-2004, 02:42 PM
That last shot the "Dragon" is really a drake thats just using the dragon model untill next patch :P

...i spend too much time on the WoW beta forums i think ;X

Zarathos
03-25-2004, 02:42 PM
Very cool Nurg, thanks for the screens, keep em coming whenever you can. It's fun to see what you guys are up to... and torture at the same time! :) :evil:

Corkorle
03-25-2004, 02:50 PM
Hey zara, i say we goto cali and steal some beta spots from Blizz HQ!

Zarathos
03-25-2004, 03:17 PM
Ya.... why the fuck not, its gotta be better then sitting around playing Lineage 2 all day :roll: god this game is brutal..........

Corkorle
03-26-2004, 02:11 PM
What else is there to do on the boat in WoW? I remember reading that it wasnt just gonna be some waste of time -- like a long loading (since there is no loading it would take its place :P ) I also remember reading that you "may" get attacked while being on a boat -- this implemented or true??

Also, do you use skill points for new abilities such as backstab and the like? Or do you gain them every level and they go up on their on -- what happens when you cap at like rank 1. I keep reading guides that have different rank levels, do you put skill points into the abilities to get to the next rank or do you just pay money for the next rank?

Thanks! <3

Nurg
03-26-2004, 03:01 PM
What else is there to do on the boat in WoW? I remember reading that it wasnt just gonna be some waste of time -- like a long loading (since there is no loading it would take its place :P ) I also remember reading that you "may" get attacked while being on a boat -- this implemented or true??

Also, do you use skill points for new abilities such as backstab and the like? Or do you gain them every level and they go up on their on -- what happens when you cap at like rank 1. I keep reading guides that have different rank levels, do you put skill points into the abilities to get to the next rank or do you just pay money for the next rank?

Thanks! <3
The boats don't work at this time, you just telelport over when you talk to the Captain.

Skill points are used for trade skills only. When your able to get new abilities for your characer, such as a new spell or some combat move, you must buy it from your trainer with money.

You gain talent points ever level, which are use for talents. Talents are like spec'n in a weapon, or beast slaying, shit like that.

Corkorle
03-26-2004, 03:20 PM
So from rank 1 to rank 2 you have to pay money for rank 2 and thanks :)

Nurg
03-26-2004, 05:26 PM
As Rann likes to say an_Stiches...

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW31.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW32.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW33.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW34.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW35.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW37.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW38.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW39.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW40.jpg

Corkorle
03-26-2004, 08:26 PM
owned. So you just pay to get to the next rank im guessing or does each rank mean a lvl or something?

Blayloc
03-26-2004, 08:51 PM
hehe Nurg.. they made Stiches a badass now.

Someone must have gotten pissed he could be solo'd by a level 30 warrior.. and he is now Level ???? with like 12K hps.

Valstorm
03-26-2004, 09:35 PM
that really is an abominable abomination

Nurg
03-26-2004, 10:20 PM
hehe Nurg.. they made Stiches a badass now.

Someone must have gotten pissed he could be solo'd by a level 30 warrior.. and he is now Level ???? with like 12K hps.
Is this for the next push?

Cause I took those screenshots last night, he had 12k of hit points in Alpha, like he does now in Beta. And hes always been 35+. I saw no diffrence, except that he was casting spells now.

Blayloc
03-26-2004, 11:24 PM
Hmmm.. Not sure.. saw him today with Level ????


Figured they up'd him since I saw him trouncing a shit load of lvl 28's

McGilla
03-27-2004, 02:50 AM
How does WOW work, Is so many per server or is it like PS where you have a choice of two or three sides and there is a large faction working together. This is my big question, kinda like is it like PS or AAO.

Zarathos
03-27-2004, 01:25 PM
*groans*

----------------
Definately not July. As you know, we never set release dates, but you can expect the beta to run for another 5+ months since we have lots of content to test.

-Eno
-----------------

Quote from the Blizzard msgboard for those of us waiting on playing this game on how long they expect the beta to run..... FUCK ME is all i gotta say, its going to be a brutally long wait to get into WoW finally :( :evil:

Kiaus
03-27-2004, 02:42 PM
How does WOW work.

It's more difficult than Toon Town, McG... you may want to stick with the Disney games and forget WoW. Your mom wouldn't approve.

Nurg
03-28-2004, 08:02 AM
More! Enjoy!

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW42.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW43.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW58.JPG

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW45.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW46.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW47.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW48.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW49.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW50.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW51.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW52.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW53.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW54.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW55.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW56.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW57.jpg

Corkorle
03-28-2004, 10:31 AM
plz...stop....tormenting......./cry

Raidan
03-28-2004, 10:59 AM
I really didn't need to see those screen shots - get me in that fuckin beta now!! :x

Exploding Sheep - classic ! :P

Biral
03-28-2004, 11:36 AM
Target dummy, pretty cool idea, no need to pull mobs i assume? Btw drawing ritual into that one SS is so cruel :b if he's not in it.

Zarathos
03-28-2004, 11:51 AM
meh ignore the feebs!!! keep em coming Nurg. Those are some pretty intresting monsters there and one mean looking pig... has the level cap moved beyond 30 yet?

oh and those Treants look aswsome... can't wait to burn them down with my orc!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted:

Ritual
03-28-2004, 02:33 PM
omg that was fucking hilarious, no way nurg came up with it. my wife is using it for wallpaper rotfl.

Corkorle
03-28-2004, 03:28 PM
Treants arent mobs i dont think.

Nurg
03-28-2004, 04:46 PM
meh ignore the feebs!!! keep em coming Nurg. Those are some pretty intresting monsters there and one mean looking pig... has the level cap moved beyond 30 yet?

oh and those Treants look aswsome... can't wait to burn them down with my orc!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted:
That first screenshot is the Ancient Tree of Lore, and the second one is the Ancient Tree of War. Both are in the Night Elf capitol city Darnassus and can't be attacked.

You can however attack the Ancient Protectors I belive, I've seen screenshots of Horde players attacking one, but I doubt they killed it since its level 99.

Nurg
03-28-2004, 04:48 PM
Target dummy, pretty cool idea, no need to pull mobs i assume?
Nope you still need to pull mobs, Target Dummies are kinda like an "Oh shit" backup if you pull to many.

War Knight
03-28-2004, 06:17 PM
The one of you on the Hyppie flying by the lighthouse in Darkshore is awesome.

Valstorm
03-28-2004, 07:18 PM
So what do horde and undead get as their flying mounts? gargoyles, wyverns and bats?

Nurg
03-29-2004, 12:50 AM
The one of you on the Hyppie flying by the lighthouse in Darkshore is awesome.
Yeah that one came out good.

Nurg
03-29-2004, 12:51 AM
So what do horde and undead get as their flying mounts? gargoyles, wyverns and bats?
Only thing I know of is the Wyvern, or what ever it was.

Rann
03-29-2004, 08:08 AM
Undead get bats.

Rann
03-29-2004, 08:53 AM
Blayloc's foiled attempt at offing your hero.

http://www.kaaos.com/wowshots/theview.jpg

War Knight
03-29-2004, 11:32 AM
If he didn't push you, I was. Course, he failed so it just shows that you never should trust a dwarf to do a man's job.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Blayloc
03-29-2004, 12:54 PM
Few Quotes from the KAAOS Rapin' of the Highlands...




http://www.blayloc.com/wow/quote1.jpg



http://www.blayloc.com/wow/quote2.jpg



http://www.blayloc.com/wow/quote3.jpg


http://www.blayloc.com/wow/kaaoswow.jpg

Xenomorph
04-01-2004, 11:33 AM
Check out Rann the Flamespinner
http://www.xenomorphs.net/WoW/Rann.jpg



Guess the name suits him after seeing this

http://www.xenomorphs.net/WoW/danceing.jpg



btw found a easter egg

http://www.xenomorphs.net/WoW/easteregg.jpg

Faust
04-02-2004, 01:52 PM
I wouldn't expect anyone to actually read this whole post... but, holy crap, someone (someone I know, in fact) wrote a 27 page post about their Beta experience. Sounds like SOMEONE likes the game:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=10442&P=1&ReplyCount=18#post10442

Valstorm
04-03-2004, 02:01 AM
Whats the deal with WoW water? the texture looks like it was drawn in 1980 for doom

Nurg
05-10-2004, 03:48 AM
Some Horde screenshots, enjoy!

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW59.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW60.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW61.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW62.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW63.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW64.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW65.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW66.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW67.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW68.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW69.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW70.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW71.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW72.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW73.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW74.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW75.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW76.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~emc1974/WoW/WoW77.jpg

Zarathos
05-10-2004, 11:50 AM
Damn, nice screens Nurg. Makes me hope open beta comes soon.

War Knight
05-10-2004, 12:52 PM
That last one in the series is really good.

Valstorm
05-10-2004, 03:19 PM
I'm guessing when it goes retail we'll be playing as the horde right?
does this include undead? or are they seperate?

Hedron
05-10-2004, 03:23 PM
When it goes retail, I believe I will be playing as a Terran. ;)


Hed

War Knight
05-10-2004, 05:20 PM
When it goes retail, I believe I will be playing as a Terran. ;)


Hed

That is if SOE doesn't pull the plug on PS before then which is HIGHLY likely. Seriously... I expect PS to twilight in under 6 months.

XENONIX
05-10-2004, 06:14 PM
heh.. that's a bold prediction WK. Planetside seems to still have a strong subscriber base despite it's major flaws. *shrug* I do think that the next three to six months worth of game development will be critical for the future of PlanetSide. Any more 'Core Combat,' 'Balance Pass,' or 'Surge Nerf' type implementations will cause a mass exodus of gamers.

-xenonix-

War Knight
05-10-2004, 07:07 PM
If you define strong subscriber base as under 2000 accounts, then yes, it has a strong subscriber base. Not to mention that the pricing structure on a game that competes with free to play titles like UT2k4 and BF:1942 is not helping any.

Don't get me wrong, I love planetside. It was friggin fantastic when it launched and I played the hell out of it. I would still be playing consistantly if it wasn't for what it turned into and how the "balance" passes changed it. Sure, lots of cool stuff has gone in but it in no way makes up for the screw ups.

Corkorle
05-10-2004, 08:13 PM
Hed is gay, that is all.

Valstorm
05-10-2004, 08:20 PM
SOE wont shut down PS... because atm they're the only company with a MMOFPS up and running... which means they have a chunk of the market that they probably dont want to lose.

Sul Morthos
05-10-2004, 09:56 PM
If you define strong subscriber base as under 2000 accounts, then yes, it has a strong subscriber base. Not to mention that the pricing structure on a game that competes with free to play titles like UT2k4 and BF:1942 is not helping any.

Don't get me wrong, I love planetside. It was friggin fantastic when it launched and I played the hell out of it. I would still be playing consistantly if it wasn't for what it turned into and how the "balance" passes changed it. Sure, lots of cool stuff has gone in but it in no way makes up for the screw ups.

WK, not to argue, but well...I'll argue. Even NWN when it was shut down back in the earlier days of online gaming, it had over 31,000 downloads of version 2.22 or whatever was the last version, but only a little over 4,000 active accounts. And that was from a game that capped out at 500 in-game maximum and one whose floodgates were opened (to the chagrin of anyone there before Dec 96) to unlimited play.

Planetside had a subscriber base of 40,000 accounts a couple of months ago, even with typical attrition it is still the only Massive Shooter of its kind out here. The next closest thing is WWIIOnline, and I really would not even compare the two.

WWIIOnline likens its base of players to those that play BF1942 and its contemporaries, and it maintains a subscriber base of 12-13,000 accounts.

Planetside likens itself to Tribes, UT2Kwhatever, etc, and upon last statements, had a subscriber base of 40,000 accounts.

2000 accounts is a stretch too low, and ironically, for second-tier games (not EverQuest, DAOC, UO, etc), the 40,000 account range is very acceptable.

Course that all changes overnight... http://pc.ign.com/articles/393/393484p1.html

Nurg
05-10-2004, 11:00 PM
I'm guessing when it goes retail we'll be playing as the horde right?
does this include undead? or are they seperate?
Horde fits the KAAOS theme yes, but there is no telling which side will be played, currently both sides are great to play, but the game is a long ways off from being done. So there is really no telling in the end what side will be best to play until it is close to release.

Orcs, Trolls, Tauren, and Undead all make up the Horde. While Humans, Night Elves, Dwarves, and Gnomes make up Alliance.


Hed is gay, that is all.
Nothing new, but thanks for being a jackass.


SOE wont shut down PS... because atm they're the only company with a MMOFPS up and running... which means they have a chunk of the market that they probably dont want to lose.
There are several MMOFPS in the works right now, that will be free to play online. If PlanetSide is still around then, I belive it will go under because these new ones are free.


Planetside had a subscriber base of 40,000 accounts a couple of months ago, even with typical attrition it is still the only Massive Shooter of its kind out here. The next closest thing is WWIIOnline, and I really would not even compare the two.
I'd compair the two in that WWII Online is much better. Granted it was crap when it first came out, but improvements since then have made the game MUCH MORE balanced than PlanetSide is. The graphics are not as good as Planetside, but game play is much better than PlanetSide.

If PlanetSide is around in a couple of years, it would prolly get to the same level of game play as WWII Online.

Valstorm
05-10-2004, 11:00 PM
Earth and Beyond really sucked cock though... very little content or variety

Sul Morthos
05-10-2004, 11:59 PM
Earth and Beyond really sucked cock though... very little content or variety

And the "No fucking shit" award goes to...Val !

Corkorle
05-11-2004, 12:42 AM
Hed is gay, that is all.


Nothing new, but thanks for being a jackass.



Thanks for being a jackass for quoting me being a jackass!

Nurg
05-11-2004, 03:57 AM
IGN Beta Video 1.

http://wowvault.ign.com/?dir=multimedia/videos

Could have used better footage IMHO, but it kinda gives you a taste of the game, and how smooth it runs.

Nurg
05-11-2004, 04:03 AM
Hed is gay, that is all.


Nothing new, but thanks for being a jackass.



Thanks for being a jackass for quoting me being a jackass!
Cockhole, please leave. Your a waste of time.

Rann
05-11-2004, 06:54 AM
X-Play on TechTv Had a short story about wow and how good it was compared to other games. They didnt rate it cuz it aint released but it was positive.

Of course, We already knew it was good ;p

WK, Smack those guys around at blizzard and deliver us a good Cyberpunk MMORPG. And dont tell me about neocron, its total ass ;p

War Knight
05-11-2004, 10:05 AM
I have been dreaming of doing Shadowrun MMORPG for years so you don't have to tell me about that.

Oh... and Sul, they might have sold 40k units but there is no way in hell that there are 40k people paying to play currently. Average MMO concurrent users is normally around 25% of the subscription base. Considering that PS hardly had barely 2k people peak concurrent 5 months ago (factual information)... I think you can see where this is going. That would mean that they have a 5% concurrent peak of their subscription base.

XENONIX
05-11-2004, 04:18 PM
heh.. back on the planetside subject... it turns out the station.com store no longer sells copies of planetside or the game-cards. People in the community are ranting and raving becuase they can no longer find the game in stores. Some dude on the PS forums went to EB & Future shop.. and both informed him that the status of the game was "Discontinued."

ruh roh.

Hedron
05-11-2004, 04:19 PM
Ouchie.

Sul Morthos
05-11-2004, 04:57 PM
Bah! Those Sony fuckers didn't even wait a week since I posted.

Lamers.

XENONIX
05-11-2004, 05:16 PM
Apparently spork is saying it's a 'distribution problem' and that they have plenty of copies out there. That still doesn't answer the "discontinued" status the stores are showing. Also, spork answered a forum question with

We actually have a solution in the works right now. Unfortunately, I can't talk about it yet. Should be public knowledge within the week (good things are said at E3).

things that make you go hmmm.


http://psforums.station.sony.com/ps/board/message?board.id=psdiscussion&message.id=71666#M71666

http://psforums.station.sony.com/ps/board/message?board.id=psdiscussion&message.id=66087

Sul Morthos
05-11-2004, 05:38 PM
Lemme guess.

Spork was hired by EA Sports to resurrect Earth and Beyond, but only after he successfully relaunches Neverwinter Nights on AOL.

Bah, I prefer to believe the sky is falling, gives me one more thing to bitch about today.

Biral
05-11-2004, 05:58 PM
There are several MMOFPS in the works right now, that will be free to play online. If PlanetSide is still around then, I belive it will go under because these new ones are free. Gonna have to call bullshit on this one. MMO games take a lot of cash to maintain for servers, dev's, artists, CS, etc and no company will be able to maintain those things for very long based on sale of units past a few months at best. can you link to a MMOFPS that is coming out that will be on the scale of planetside, and free? BF:V and UT2k4 are both very good, but the scale of planetside is what keeps it going, and the only thing that keeps that massive scale going is monthly payments.

War Knight
05-11-2004, 06:31 PM
heh.. back on the planetside subject... it turns out the station.com store no longer sells copies of planetside or the game-cards. People in the community are ranting and raving becuase they can no longer find the game in stores. Some dude on the PS forums went to EB & Future shop.. and both informed him that the status of the game was "Discontinued."

ruh roh.

And you wonder where I got the ammo to make the statement above about the life expectancy of PS.

XENONIX
05-11-2004, 07:58 PM
Yeah.. well.. I figured you would be prone to hear 'industry buzz' before the rest of us would... just on the surface it didn't make total sense. But in light of recent posts.. it sure looks like you may be correct.

Of course- this could mean that they are releasing a new MMORFPS in replacement to PlanetSide. eh?

I can dream- Can't I?
-xenonix-

Biral
05-11-2004, 08:45 PM
From spork, regarding game cards and download being out of stock:


We actually have a solution in the works right now. Unfortunately, I can't talk about it yet. Should be public knowledge within the week (good things are said at E3). so whatever. we'll see i guess.

Corkorle
05-15-2004, 10:41 PM
from Kat on beta forums -


Let me clarify:

Faction based PvP means you can attack anyone of the opposite faction any time, anywhere. The second beta server will follow these rules. We expect to have that server up during the next push.

"Normal" servers will have instanced PvP zones. There may be a few other cases where you can fight other players outside duels, and there are some changes to the faction rules coming, but for the most part they will be like the server you are on now.

Those are the only two server types we are definitely going to have before ship. There may be more depending on demand, but we really haven't even talked about any others yet.


Woot! Factional PvP :)

Nurg
05-15-2004, 11:31 PM
from Kat on beta forums -


Let me clarify:

Faction based PvP means you can attack anyone of the opposite faction any time, anywhere. The second beta server will follow these rules. We expect to have that server up during the next push.

"Normal" servers will have instanced PvP zones. There may be a few other cases where you can fight other players outside duels, and there are some changes to the faction rules coming, but for the most part they will be like the server you are on now.

Those are the only two server types we are definitely going to have before ship. There may be more depending on demand, but we really haven't even talked about any others yet.


Woot! Factional PvP :)

Really nothing new there, I've lost count how many times they have stated this already, all shes done it put everything that has been said into one post.

The problem is all these fucking idiot people that keep asking the same stupid question over and over, cause for some reason they can't understand the responces the devs give each and everytime the same fucking question is asked.

Corkorle
05-16-2004, 08:08 PM
I never saw anybody say that there would deffinatly be a Faction vs Faction server.

Nurg
05-16-2004, 09:08 PM
I never saw anybody say that there would deffinatly be a Faction vs Faction server.
Its been stated from the start, and was also mentioned weeks ago.


I didn't actually think I was announcing anything new. Kat had said we would have a PvP server in the near future several weeks ago, that post is still linked from the front page. I was just reiterating that in light of an E3 quote that was confusing to some people.

I guess she didn't use the magic word "factional", but I think that's how most people read it.
People should learn how to fucking read.

Corkorle
05-17-2004, 11:56 AM
all they said was there would be a PvP server, they never mentioned a Faction vs Faction server at the start for sure :P

Faust
05-17-2004, 12:36 PM
The problem is all these fucking idiot people that keep asking the same stupid question over and over, cause for some reason they can't understand the responces the devs give each and everytime the same fucking question is asked.

If this were the case, they could put the responces into a FAQ. However, their responces are generally fairly vague. I think the truth is, they are still examining the options and have yet to come to any solid conclusions.

Here's a recent interview on the subject of PvP in WoW:

http://wowvault.ign.com/?dir=events/e32004&content=interview

Here is a summary of the responces regarding PvP in WoW:


We want it to be really cool, so we're kind of going through and deciding how we want to do it.

How we're going to accomplish doing that we're not sure yet.

We kind of want to do something like that. We're not sure that's going to work yet. It's something we're still working on.

We're not entirely sure.

We have noticed that running into the opposite faction outside the PvP zones is an issue. It feels funky and broken and we're looking into it.

What those are in the final shipping product, I'm not sure. We do plan to have PvP servers of some kind.

We actually haven't finished the design on the heroes yet.

The level of design we have on heroes right now is that we know we want them, but we're not sure exactly how we're going to implement them.

We don't know yet.

It's not decided yet. I would like to, it would be cool.

we're kind of trying to balance it

We have a lot of ideas for the end game, and we haven't announced all of them. Of course there's going to be PvP. There's also trade skilling and exploration. What it all is we haven't decided yet.

We're going to have rewards. What they will be we haven't decided yet.

What the exact response will be we're not sure.

I actually have no clue.

We haven't reached a final decision on it.

So the chances of new and interesting things happening with cloaks are high. What they are I don't know.

I don't know.



Of course, the guy being interviewed is a level designer / world builder (not exactly a head honcho) standing at a booth at E3, but... he is on staff. One would think he'd know something (perhaps, at least, he should know how to say "That's confidential")

Well, lets hope they are thinking quite deeply about a system that does things right. I'm hopeful. Having found out who the community relations person is, I'm fairly confident that they will at least think about it and listen to ideas.

But, it seems to me that the matter is far from closed on how PvP will be implemented.

Nurg
05-17-2004, 01:27 PM
all they said was there would be a PvP server, they never mentioned a Faction vs Faction server at the start for sure :P
As Ogre said, Kat didn't use the magical word "factional" for the stupid people that can't figure out WoW is based on Warcraft were there are two factions fighting each other...Alliance/Horde.

Kal Mirage
05-17-2004, 01:55 PM
Who cares what they said? That shit will end up 250% different from whatever it was originally intended to be when it goes gold anyways.


Kal

Azmodion
05-17-2004, 03:12 PM
LOL, exactly.

Mortarion
05-17-2004, 04:23 PM
Kat didn't use the magical word "factional" for the stupid people that can't figure out WoW is based on Warcraft were there are two factions fighting each other...Alliance/Horde.


Warcraft has many more than 2 factions at the WC3 point... and more than 2 factions in WC2 and even WC1.

At a minimum, WC3 has Human, Night Elf, Undead, and Orc, but that ain't even close to the truth of WC3. What made the stories of WC3 (and WC2) great were the multitude of factions that all fought each other in a living world rather than a very stagnant factional battle. Sorta pisses off some Warcraft fans like me who expect total war as depicted in the Warcraft games and only get factional battles in WoW. Tho I do have enough reading comprehension to understand that factional is the way they're going and has been the way they've been going for quite some time. It's just annoying enough to qualify as strike 1.

Nurg
05-17-2004, 04:33 PM
Kat didn't use the magical word "factional" for the stupid people that can't figure out WoW is based on Warcraft were there are two factions fighting each other...Alliance/Horde.


Warcraft has many more than 2 factions at the WC3 point... and more than 2 factions in WC2 and even WC1.

At a minimum, WC3 has Human, Night Elf, Undead, and Orc, but that ain't even close to the truth of WC3. What made the stories of WC3 (and WC2) great were the multitude of factions that all fought each other in a living world rather than a very stagnant factional battle. Sorta pisses off some Warcraft fans like me who expect total war as depicted in the Warcraft games and only get factional battles in WoW. Tho I do have enough reading comprehension to understand that factional is the way they're going and has been the way they've been going for quite some time. It's just annoying enough to qualify as strike 1.

Well from following the story line of quests, and reading over books, scrolls, and such found in the game, it seems that WoW takes place sometime after Frozen Throne. Several years I belive. So the two main factions at that time were Alliance/Horde...you could count the Scourge to as a major faction, but that is NPC controlled.

So I guess what I should have said was two PLAYER factions, being Alliance/Horde.

There are lots of other factions in the game, they are just all NPC controled, so I don't count them in as far as factional PvP goes.

But there are Orc clans that are not part of the Horde, and are hostile twards Horde players, and so on an so forth.

Hopefully, it will be fun reguardless of what they do.

Azmodion
05-17-2004, 07:15 PM
I'm not too happy about faction PvP. I do not like the fact that I can't kill someone simply because they choose the same faction as me. That's the same fucking thing as a game with no PvP as far as I'm concerned. I have to coexist with fuck nuts that I cannot kill when they piss me off, fuck that.

Personally I'd rather have a full on PvP server with some non-PvP lowbie zones (to help get people started) than gay ass FvF PvP.

Nurg
05-17-2004, 08:14 PM
I'm not too happy about faction PvP. I do not like the fact that I can't kill someone simply because they choose the same faction as me. That's the same fucking thing as a game with no PvP as far as I'm concerned. I have to coexist with fuck nuts that I cannot kill when they piss me off, fuck that.

Personally I'd rather have a full on PvP server with some non-PvP lowbie zones (to help get people started) than gay ass FvF PvP.
I belive they said later on after release there would be an open PvP server as well.

Besides there are other ways to kill people in your faction that you don't like, training has worked VERY well for me this push.

Corkorle
05-17-2004, 08:47 PM
, training has worked VERY well for me this push

Brings back the best memories in EQ :)

Newbold
05-24-2004, 10:49 PM
http://home.comcast.net/~pzs22/wow22.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~pzs22/wow23.jpg

Corkorle
05-24-2004, 11:13 PM
Big monkey that dropped nothing~ fix WK fix! :-p

Valstorm
05-25-2004, 12:20 AM
:shock:

War Knight
05-25-2004, 11:41 AM
I'll fix it... and next thing it drops will be you. =)

Newbold
05-25-2004, 12:12 PM
I'll fix it... and next thing it drops will be you. =)

Well it already dropped me. After we killed it, it respawned rather quickly and caught us all off guard. Needless to say there were courpses everywhere. It one hit me to the ground with no shield up.

Corkorle
05-25-2004, 10:41 PM
I'll fix it... and next thing it drops will be you. =)

Ahh so that means your giving me a beta account!?!? I knew u liked me WK! :)

War Knight
05-26-2004, 11:24 AM
Keep dreaming.

Corkorle
05-26-2004, 02:33 PM
So theres still a chance for me to get in?! :lol:

War Knight
05-26-2004, 02:55 PM
Sure, there is and always has been the small minute chance that I could lose my mind at any given moment and let all the people that beg me for beta in... however, this is not that time nor do I forsee it in the near future.

In short... suck it.

<smirk>

Corkorle
05-26-2004, 03:27 PM
If i suck it will you?! :twisted: